Mark Zuckerberg is stupid, throw rocks at him

Somewhere Glenn Sacks is probably having a fit because of this Facebook event.

I've never been able to tell whether Mr. Sacks' outrage over the "Boys Are Stupid" T-shirts was sincere or cynical... IIRC he never mentioned that the "throw rocks at them" motif was from a picture book which intentionally used childlike language for humorous purposes. I.e. I find it hard to believe that anyone honestly believes that the T-shirts were intended to provoke actual rock-throwing.

I wonder if I attend this event, I'll have to throw rocks at myself.... I've done dumber things than that, I promise you.

Even if it's not meant literally, it's sexist.

OK, I'll bite... why is it sexist?

If somebody posted something like "Girls are stupid, throw rocks at them" as a joke, it'd go over like a lead balloon and call the admins sexist pigs.

It's still a bunch of unpleasant people who are completely failing to understand that gendered violence against men and boys is a real thing and about as funny as gendered violence against women and girls, which is to say, it's not.

Huh. When did you turn into an MRA, SB?

Never.

That doesn't mean I'm going to deny the reality that gendered violence happens to men and women. I know it disproportionately affects women. That does not mean it doesn't happen to men.

Endorsing gendered violence isn't OK, whichever way you do it.

*Yawn* Does anyone who isn't an overgrown crybaby have an opinion on rocks, boys or Glenn Sacks?

So, saying that misandry is bad is being an overgrown crybaby?

Run along, troll, and go back under your bridge. You're such a dullard you can't even come up with an original insult.

mediumdavid curb your insults ok. Thats really uncalled for not to mention childish. Succubusboy is not an mra just because you have had disagreements.

I also think the "throw rocks at boys they are dumb" is sexist, it solves nothing whatsoever and sends out the wrong message.

yeah IT IS sexist in every way and not even remotely funny....

As a general rule, if you replace "men" with "women" in a statement and it sounds horribly sexist, it is horribly sexist.

A T-shirt that says "women are stupid, throw rocks at them" is not okay. A T-shirt that says "men are stupid, throw rocks at them" is not okay. That's the whole point of gender egalitarianism and feminism: all genders should be treated equally and not threatened with things.

Yeah, I'm late, but this is sexist. It strikes me as a thing that is ultimately harmless (Similar to the gendered insult 'dick', in opposition to the gendered insult '[c-word]'), but it's still sexist. There's no reason to defend it.

we don't mean this literally it's JUST A JOKE. if you don't like it don't even bother clicking not attending and sharing your stupid opinions against this event because we personally don't care. its just a joke if you find this "offensive" then get off of the page. it's simple as that. were not here to please everyone and will write what we want. now that all is said... invite all your friends for the wonderful event (: p.s. no we are not "sexist" either

guys you cant criticize them theyve been peremptorily inoculated against it

and ya this is sexist and even it wasnt i dont find this kind of joke violence to be funny

I do think the shirt is sexist and not funny, but the amount of outrage and faux outrage the MRM has whipped up about it is completely out of proportion. And it's often used to dismiss concerns about male violence against women.

Now, if the MRAs that complain about this shirt had taken even a small bit of the energy they expended on it to actually try to do something for male victims of violence, that would be a whole other of buttons, as David K. Meller might put it.

I don't find it worthy of outrage but it is sexist and not funny. If I learn that friends of mine think it is funny I think less of them as a result but I wouldn't kill a friendship over it. I reserve actual outrage for things that cause greater harm.

It is indeed sexist and profoundly unfunny. And if the sexism bothers people, they have every right to protest and shouldn't have people telling them that it's not a big deal and that they should just chill out. (I firmly believe that activism in an area shouldn't get belittled on the grounds that there are other problems that are more important.)

Of course anyone with internet access could find 10 examples of T-shirts that are just as sexist against women in 5 minutes, whereas this appears to be the only sexist-against-men shirt that exists.

wtf MD >_>

I had a problem w/ that shirt ever since I heard about it... >_<;; It IS sexist, and it plays into sexist tropes that girls and boys aren't supposed to like each other, and the whole "cooties" thing and that "throwing rocks"at boys is okay b/c boys can take it, and girls aren't supposed to like boys, and etc etc etc > And yeah it comes from a place where girls bullying boys is supposed to be cute and harmless b/c "ew boys! amirite?" and that boys are rough and tumble and so it's okay... it's also the same place where boys bullying girls is supposed to be "he likes you" and etc etc.. all the f-ed up gender construction crap we direct at children in our society >

Even if it's from a children's book, that doesn't justify that it's playing into sexist and problematic narratives in our society >

(i do think, that there are certain ppl w/ a particular agenda that DO point to it at the exclusion of other messages and t-shirts that play into misogynist narratives in our society, such as "I can run faster horny than you can scared" and "She was asking for it" (the Toronto t-shirt w/ the bloody hammer), like NWO, but that doesn't mean the "throw rocks at him" shirt isn't sexist against men)

I hate to be bitchy, but this "Ok I'll bite" what? It's not that hard to just picture the reverse. This is not E=MC2 for the love of...

Not bitchy...apparently if you have any problem with this you're an 'overgrown crybaby'.

Ami Angelwings wrote:wtf MD >_>

I had a problem w/ that shirt ever since I heard about it... >_<;; It IS sexist, and it plays into sexist tropes that girls and boys aren't supposed to like each other, and the whole "cooties" thing

That essentialism and separatism is what bothers me most about it. The call for violence doesn't strike me as a serious one or as the primary message; the primary message is that "boys" and "girls" are two wholly opposite camps. It's everything I don't like about "opposite sex" only more so.

This: Website Generally NSFW (no explicit images on the page linked, however)

theLaplaceDemon wrote:This: Website Generally NSFW (no explicit images on the page linked, however)

Awesomeness.

This should be featured on the blog. Maybe it'll make the trolls shut up...

*reads recent comment thread about Slutwalks*

Then again, maybe not.

SuccubusBoy wrote:If somebody posted something like "Girls are stupid, throw rocks at them" as a joke, it'd go over like a lead balloon and call the admins sexist pigs.

I have to disagree with you there, SB. There's a lot more misogynistic humor that is totally accepted, despite the MRAs' denial. For example, there have been pages on FaceBook about beating a woman for not making the man a sandwich. Men (and women) have joined it. Also, there are a lot of misogynistic comments on YouTube, whereas I don't recall ever seeing a comment saying that men aren't as smart as women, that men should make sandwiches, that men can't drive, etc. Sure, sometimes a man will get called "gay," but that's homophobic and not specifically anti-male.

I don't get why MRAs think jokes at men's expense is tolerated, whereas there's a supposed outrage at women jokes. There are many more jokes about women. I see people speaking up against "anti-male" jokes, yet people say getting offended at a woman joke is being overly-sensitive (plus, it's often followed with a "get-back-in-the-kitchen" type of remark).

For the record, I don't find the shirt funny, but I've seen much worse (such as the subreddit of pictures of women who've been beaten and battered). I'm not saying it excuses jokes that are sexist against men, but it's considered the norm to make jokes about women being sex objects, stuck in the kitchen, etc., whereas something like this comes out and the MRM is all over it like flies on shit. But apparently a joke that's sexist against women gets a "you're being too sensitive, stupid feminist" kind of reply. Double-standard? I think so. Jokes at women's expense are so much more common that we've come to expect them, whereas a joke against boys/men is much more noticeable for that same reason.

Again, I don't think the shirt is funny, but I've seen worse. I doubt it's something that will make girls think they are superior to boys (with the evidence being that there's a lot of "women/girls are stupid" comments on places like YouTube with hundreds of upvotes). It's so minor and a non-issue compared to other problems boys deal with, such as homophobic slurs being thrown at them, regardless of how masculine or feminine the person is.

Can someone please explain to me how jokes at men's expense is more tolerated? I just don't see it.

@Lioness I think it's b/c whenever something offensive comes out on a t-shirt about women (for example) you always get complaints by feminist groups, or in feminist blogs (which MRAs seem to see as the entire internet), and that's generally the first time nebody hears of the shirt as an issue (i.e. the newspaper saying "t-shirt draws ire from feminist groups"), and even if it's just reporting on what ONE group says, ppl get the idea that society outrages about this stuff all the time... and that feminist groups represent society (esp since a lot of MRAs alrdy think feminism IS society xD )...

that's why we often get so many MRAs or homophobes or transphobes, or etc... acting as if stuff like transphobia is some sort of brave thing that society is completely against... b/c they only remember that there's a backlash against it sometimes... or that all the sites they troll are trans friendly or anti-homophobia, or feminist sites... and they kinda extrapolate that on all of society >_>

Ami Angelwings wrote:@Lioness I think it's b/c whenever something offensive comes out on a t-shirt about women (for example) you always get complaints by feminist groups, or in feminist blogs (which MRAs seem to see as the entire internet), and that's generally the first time nebody hears of the shirt as an issue (i.e. the newspaper saying "t-shirt draws ire from feminist groups"), and even if it's just reporting on what ONE group says, ppl get the idea that society outrages about this stuff all the time... and that feminist groups represent society (esp since a lot of MRAs alrdy think feminism IS society xD )...

that's why we often get so many MRAs or homophobes or transphobes, or etc... acting as if stuff like transphobia is some sort of brave thing that society is completely against... b/c they only remember that there's a backlash against it sometimes... or that all the sites they troll are trans friendly or anti-homophobia, or feminist sites... and they kinda extrapolate that on all of society >_>

That's what I was thinking, too. It seems like MRAs feel like their complaints are always valid, whereas feminists are always being "overly-sensitive" or something. And in general, there is so much misogyny on the Internet that nobody speaks out about. I see so many misogynistic comments on YouTube that are upvoted by many. Recently, there was a video I saw of a young girl who couldn't yet grasp the concept of "more" (as in, she thought one row of quarters had more than the other, even though it had the same amount and was just spaced out more). Kids can't grasp these concepts earlier on, whether they are a boy or girl, yet several comments remarked at how "girls are stupid." And of course there are innumerable comments about sandwiches, poor driving skills, etc. It has to be something truly bad for feminist groups to make it breaking news.

Haha, yeah, some MRAs outright think we live in a "gynocracy." For whatever reason, they feel like women have all the power, even though it's far from the truth. Some anti-LGBT people even think society is becoming...gay, and that "women are men" and "men are women"...whatever the hell that means. So yeah, I agree that people take tiny examples and start to think that all of society has drifted too far from their heterosexual, gender role-embracing, male-dominated society.

It's so minor and a non-issue compared to other problems boys deal with, such as homophobic slurs being thrown at them...

Finally someone says the obvious thing! Which was my original point in posting this topic... and I barked at SB because I thought he was intentionally derailing the topic because he was still sore about things I'd said in the "Free of Children" thread (so if I'm wrong, I apologize and it won't happen again).

There's no "sexism" here, folks. Sexism = power + prejudice, remember? If anything, it's a reaction against sexism. Two teenage girls on Facebook posted the motif to be "funny", but also probably because they're fed up with being called sluts or whores, having their bodily integrity violated, constantly being disrespected by boys, etc. Its not about "violence" at all; it's about teasing.

I don't find the motif really "funny" either, but a lot of women do, for the reasons I've already said. I've seen handbags with other, similar motifs like this:

Stupid Factory

Well, actually my wife owns one. And I don't feel terribly threatened.

So, if I say something, you're going to call me over-emotional. Real classy. I still think you're wrong here. Endorsing gendered violence isn't OK--you are missing my point completely.

I said gendered violence is not OK. It's not cool, edgy or funny to be mean to or about another person purely based on hir gender.

Also, if you think promoting misandry is going to fix things for women, you're wrong. Valerie Solanas, for example, is not even counted among mainstream feminists by anyone except MRAs--she was definitely OK with gendered violence, as long as it's not against women.

Now, while this statement might be "harmless", it doesn't exist in a vacuum and intent is not fucking magic. It's insulting and yes, based in hatred for a particular gender. It might not be as bad as the things that happen to women and non-binary people, but it's still a bad thing, even if it's small. It's still part of the problem.

I said gendered violence is not OK.

And? Gendered violence is not the issue here. I thought that was obvious... so yeah, I still think you're derailing. If you want to talk about gendered violence, start your own topic. A couple of teenage girls posting a motif from a children's book (written by a man, no less) is not "violence" nor is it sexism.

It's joking about gendered violence and hating a specific gender. Why are you accusing me of derailing and trying to cast aspersions on me? Do you just have a hate-on for me or something?